Jason Fung, MD

Episode 003
The Two Most Important Steps to Lower Your Blood Sugar and Reverse Type 2 Diabetes

Welcome to the Mastering Blood Sugar podcast! This is episode three, with Dr. Jason Fung. Dr. Jason Fung is the Medical Director and co-founder of Intensive Dietary Management. He’s a Toronto-based kidney specialist, having graduated from the University of Toronto and finishing his medical specialty at the University of California, LA, in 2001. He’s the author of the best-seller’s The Obesity Code, The Complete Guide to Fasting, and his new book, The Diabetes Code. He’s pioneered the use of therapeutic fasting for weight loss and type 2 diabetes reversal in his IDM Clinic.

In today’s interview, Dr. Fung discusses his new book, The Diabetes Code; how he defines diabetes and why that makes such an important difference in treatment; how diabetes can be reversed; and how conventional treatment only masks symptoms and does nothing to actually treat the issue. He also talks about how high blood sugar is like overflowing garbage in your kitchen and reveals the two most important steps to lower your blood sugar and reverse type 2 diabetes.

Dr. Fung discusses how overconsumption of carbohydrates (like fructose) raises insulin, causes insulin resistance, and contributes to the storage of fat. He talks about why eating fat does not cause insulin resistance and fat storage (contrary to what other experts are saying). He also dives into the topic of fasting and goes over both advanced and beginner strategies for getting started to help improve blood sugar health.

“The way I see type 2 diabetes is essentially a disease of too much sugar in our body.”

Key Takeaways:

[:58] About Dr. Mowll’s guest and topics for today.

[3:10] Be sure to head over to iTunes and leave a review. Dr. Mowll will be reading reviews and sending you the best of the Diabetes Summit on a flash drive if he reads your review at the beginning of the podcast!

[4:11] Welcoming Dr. Jason Fung to the podcast.

[4:19] Dr. Jason Fung speaks about his new book, The Diabetes Code. Dr. Fung also addresses the two big misunderstandings about diabetes.

[8:39] How Dr. Fung sees diabetes and explains why insulin is only a treatment of the symptom, not the disease.

[13:30] About Dr. Fung’s Intensive Dietary Management program.

[14:34] How do insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia fit into the picture?

[19:04] Too much glucose in the cell, fat around the muscles and liver, high insulin levels, insulin resistance — How do all of these pieces fit together?

[22:08] Dr. Fung’s recommendations to those who want to begin fasting.

[26:58] If there was one message, idea, or quote — professionally — that Dr. Fung would like to be remembered by, what would it be?

[30:53] If Dr. Fung had a friend or family member that was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, what advice would he give them?

[32:36] If Dr. Fung was sitting around with the leaders of the world to solve the diabetes epidemic, what would be his advice?


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“[The Diabetes Code book] is more of a science book than a how-to book. It’s about understanding the disease — which I think is actually the key [because] if you understand the disease than you know why you’re doing what you’re doing.”
— Dr. Jason Fung

“One of the big misunderstandings of [diabetes] is … that it’s a chronic and progressive disease.” — Dr. Jason Fung

“The way I see type 2 diabetes is essentially a disease of too much sugar in our body.” 

— Dr. Jason Fung

“If you understand that [diabetes] is just about too much sugar in the body and not just the blood, then there’s only two things you need to do: stop putting sugar into the body and burn off that sugar.” — Dr. Jason Fung

“[Diabetes] is a disease that you have to treat the underlying cause — not just band-aid over the situation and then say things are getting worse.” — Dr. Jason Fung

“Type 2 diabetes is not a life sentence — it’s treatable!” — Dr. Jason Fung

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